Yorkie, give up already

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Subject: Yorkie, give up already
Anybody else find it laughable that this Yorkie thinks he can criticise UofT? It´s like Clay Aiken trying to criticise Frank Sinatra, or the backstreet boys criticising the beatles. It just doesn´t make sense. York is a shitty school with a bad reputation. Why don´t you set your sights on a University more in your league, like Ryerson or Nippising?

Mentioning a student survey from the Globe and Mail is useless. The only thing it proves is that (1) you don´t understand how and why student surveys are problematic and unreliable (especially when it´s performed by a newspaper and it´s methodology is not published) and (2) you are incapable of constructing a strong and valid argument.

[31-07-2006,18:48]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
The newspaper may be doing a public service. Now everyone knows what a crappy school UofT undergrad really is.
[31-07-2006,18:58]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
Here are some hard statistics that are based on objective measures:

York U (a.k.a. the punchline of every University joke)
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Money per student: $7,701 (42/47)

Library (attracts top researchers and grad students): <1million holdings (tied for last)

Reputation: 24/47 (not bad!)

Alumni Support (big indication of an institutions quality): 43/47

Average Entering Grade: 81%(Plus, it?s an Arts School)(33/47)

Proportion with 75% or higher: 81% (31/47)

Out of Province First Years: 1% (44/47)

Internation First Years: 4% (33/47)

Student Awards (per 1000): 3.2 (24/47)

Faculty Awards (per 1000): 9/47 (at least the faculty is decent)

Percent of Faculty with PhDs: 90% (25/47)

Final Ranking by Macleans:
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Ranked --10/11-- in Category

source: http://www.macleans.ca/universities/tool.jsp?

Ranking by World University Rankings (top 500):
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Didn?t make the top 500!

Ranking by THES (top 200):
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Didn?t make the cut

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add an ugly and poorly designed campus in the worst area of Toronto (Jane and Finch)

and

a student body comprised of sluts and thugs and you get...

"if you can hold a fork, your can go to York" YORK U!!

[31-07-2006,19:02]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
^And what is your point? That surveys done by magazines are more reilable than surveys done by newspapers? You don´t really believe that, do you? If you do, you´re sicker than you might think.

I urge you to go for a psychiatric evaluation immediately. It´s free, you know.

[31-07-2006,19:11]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
"you don?t understand how and why student surveys are problematic and unreliable (especially when it?s performed by a newspaper and it?s methodology is not published)"


so? all im getting out of this is if UofT gets a bad rating everything is problematic?

UOFT GOT A BAD RATING SO THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING IS CORRUPT, AND ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE CHEATING, THE RESULTS ARE PROBLEMATIC!!!!1!


80% of the stupid UofT pride arguments on this forum make refrence to macleans and other reviews. So what if its published by a newspaper? macleans is published by a bloody magazine and they dont release any more methodology than the globe and mail.

bah i wont bother with you... YOU are right UofT student, and the thousands of students who graduated from your school must be wrong

[31-07-2006,19:14]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
im not frmo York either, yorkies arent the only ones sick of your UofT bullshit
[31-07-2006,19:15]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
lol. this yorkie is very simple, eh?

nobody said macleans is more valid because it´s a magazine. the reason why it is more valid and a better indicator of the quality of universities is because they publish raw statistics (forget the rankings). you can actually look and compare objective statistics among canadian universities, which is 10X more helpful than a student survey whose questions involve criteria that is instrinsically objective. for example, the rankings of libraries gives uoft a worst grade than many other universities, yet uoft has the 3rd or 4th largest library in north america (after harvard, yale, and i think berkeley). how does that make sense? or, what about the reputation among employeers? wouldn´t this question be better answered by employeers? in addition, ranking "overall educational experience" is problematic because students have different expectations and some groups are more critical than others. i´d like to see you stick a uoft students in one of the other universities that got a better grade and ask them the same question. you cannot get an accurate answer to an objective question using subjective methods. it just doesn´t work. the only use the globe and mail survey may have is ranking things such as "campus spirit" or "sense of community", not objective measures or measures that are best directed towards others (e.g., employers or academics).

[31-07-2006,19:47]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
btw, yes, macleans does publish it´s methodology. globe and mail doesn´t. they don´t even indicate how many students were polled and how they were selected. if you don´t consider that problematic, york is definitely a good school for you.
[31-07-2006,19:50]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
The employer survey is problematic too, in case you didn´t know.
[31-07-2006,19:54]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
^ yes, i agree. but less problematic than asking a student to give an employers opinion!
[31-07-2006,19:58]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
^It´s sorta like asking a highschool counselor in Victoria BC what he knows about the Trent University.
[31-07-2006,20:08]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
^he knows nothing about Trent but he´ll rate it anyway.
[31-07-2006,20:11]
Anonymous
(in reply to: Yorkie, give up already)
"^It?s sorta like asking a highschool counselor in Victoria BC what he knows about the Trent University."

I don´t think you understand. If it´s for REPUTATION, (s)he is the perfect person to ask. If (s)he has heard a lot of good things about Trent, then Trent will score well, but if not, then Trent will do poorly. Understand?

[31-07-2006,20:44]
Anonymous



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