Ranking by Subfield by Research Infosource

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Subject: Ranking by Subfield by Research Infosource
Did anyone check out another ranking done by Research Infosource, the one that ranks Canadian universities by subfield based on research publications? Here is how both University of Toronto and McGill fared, by subfield in the Medical/Doctoral Universities category.

Biology/Agricultural Sciences
5. McGill
6. University of Toronto

Engineering & Technology
1. University of Toronto
4. McGill

Math
1. University of Toronto
4. McGill

Chemistry
1. University of Toronto
4. McGill

Health Sciences
1. University of Toronto
2. McGill

Political Science
1. University of Toronto
4. McGill

Psychology
1. University of Toronto
4. McGill

Business
2. University of Toronto
6. McGill

Economics
2. University of Toronto
8. McGill

Education
1. University of Toronto
8. McGill

Sociology
1. University of Toronto
7. McGill

Humanities (Fine Arts)
1. University of Toronto
5. McGill

Humanities
1. University of Toronto
2. McGill

Literature
1. University of Toronto
5. McGill

The above rankings take into account total research publications. However, even if size gives UT a greater advantage over most, there is much distance in the ranking between UT and McGill. In fact, it can even be argued that McGill is not even UT´s peer in most of the above subfields.

These rankings were done by Research Infosource, not Scientific Thomson, which showed that UT was clearly the leader in scientific fields. This particular ranking includes the social sciences and humanities.

[25-10-2006,02:41]
Anonymous
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I can anticipate the counter-argument regarding this ranking.

The above means nothing. McGill still has reputation and prestige.

Then, from the above ranking, what does UT have?

[25-10-2006,02:48]
Anonymous
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The above rankings shows UT does a lot of research.

And McGill is a highly reputable and prestigious 8th place university in Economics and Education.

Hahaha

[25-10-2006,02:49]
Anonymous
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Addording to these rankings, which are based on TOTAL number of research:

1) It is no wonder UofT is almost always at the top given that it is the biggest university in Canada with more than 70,000 students.

2) UofT actually does badly. Since it is the largest Canadian university and has some reputation, I would expect UofT to be the 1st in each category.

3) With a size less than half of UofT, McGill does great by getting 2nd and 3rd places in many categories.

4) This means, indeed, that McGill published MORE than UofT given its size that is less than half of UofT.

[25-10-2006,03:23]
Anonymous
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"I can anticipate the counter-argument regarding this ranking.

The above means nothing. McGill still has reputation and prestige. "

Good job, I´ve finally hammered some reality in you.

to the above, i couldn´t of said it better myself. you want to compare a university with 70K students with 8K staff, to another university with 30K students and 1.5k staff? Ridiculous.

[25-10-2006,03:40]
Anonymous
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""Good job, I?ve finally hammered some reality in you.

to the above, i couldn?t of said it better myself. you want to compare a university with 70K students with 8K staff, to another university with 30K students and 1.5k staff? Ridiculous.""

NO, YOU COULDN´T!! I am NOT the same McGill guy. I am a different one!! :)

[25-10-2006,04:51]
Anonymous
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But I agree with the previous McGillian´s views about prestige and reputation. Reputation is what matters... Everyone knows this in the world!!!
[25-10-2006,04:51]
Anonymous
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Wait...did you say that McGill finished 2nd or 3rd in many of the above categories??

Are you blind??

I see fourth, fifth, seventh, and even eight place finishes...

two eighth place finishes to be exact.

If McGill places so low, that means quite a few universities finish above it. So, its not McGill that competes with UT, but those other universities that rank higher than McGill that competes with UT.

So, those other universities like Alberta, Queen´s, McMaster or whichever finishes above McGill in any cateogry are even better than McGill.

Oh wait. Reputation and prestige is all that matters, not amount and quality of research.


[25-10-2006,16:44]
Anonymous
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So, not only are McGill kids blind, they´re also dumb.

Apparently, # 8 = # 3 in the rankings.

Good job.

So McGill kids have now devised a new ranking where ranking lower is better!!

You´d better hope McGill continues to rank lower and lower...

[25-10-2006,16:48]
Anonymous
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There was an idiot that said UT actually does quite badly, and McGill does quite well, finishing second and third in many places. Also, the idiot said that McGill does MORE research than UT.

First, where are the second and third place rankings the idiot points to? The only time McGill is ahead of UT is in biology, and that is at number 5. The highest ranking in a subfield McGill has is at number 4. I see more fourth, fifth, seventh and eighth place rankings than any other.

Second, how exactly does McGIll do MORE research than UT???

It´s not even a close second in any of these subfields compared to UT. It may be much smaller than UT, but if any university might do MORE research per capita, it would be the universities that actually did better than McGill in the rankings, like UBC, Alberta, etc...




[25-10-2006,16:58]
Anonymous
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but...but...but...McGill has reputation and prestige!!!
[25-10-2006,17:04]
Anonymous
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Idiot!.. you are the idiot since what you care is just the numbers!!

If you knew a lil bit stats, you would understand why McGill is still better than UofT although it ranks lower:

ANSWER: The above stats are accoding to "TOTAL" number of publications. UofT has 5 times more faculty members. Thus, it should of course rank much higher. If a school can rank close to another school which has 5 times more faculty members, then that school is better. SO MCGILL RANKS HIGHER IN THESE RANKINGS!!!

[25-10-2006,17:59]
Anonymous
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So where does that leave McGill versus all the similar-sized and smaller schools that rank above it in those categories?

Maybe UofT tops the ranks because of its size. But if McGill is so swell, why doesn´t it rank better?

It is arguable whether McGill is the most prestigious university in Canada. There´s no argument that McGill is trailing behind many other Canadian universities in every field.

[26-10-2006,13:27]
Anonymous



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