Is it Harder for Asians to Get into Elite Schools

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Subject: Is it Harder for Asians to Get into Elite Schools
Rejected applicant alleges bias against Asians

By Kate Carroll
Princetonian Staff Writer

Yale freshman Jian Li has filed a federal civil rights complaint against Princeton for rejecting his application for admission, claiming the University discriminated against him because he is Asian.

The complaint, which was filed with the U.S. Department of Education´s Office for Civil Rights on Oct. 25, alleges that the University´s admissions procedures are biased because they advantage other minority groups, namely African-Americans and Hispanics, legacy applicants and athletes at the expense of Asian-American applicants.

"We´ve been notified of the complaint and asked to provide information to the Office of Civil Rights, and the University will provide the Office of Civil Rights with the information that it has requested," University spokeswoman Cass Cliatt ´96 said yesterday. "But I will say that we do not believe that the case has merit."

The case, first reported this weekend by The Wall Street Journal, injects new life into a longstanding debate surrounding affirmative action and whether race can or should be a factor in college admissions. Li´s minority status adds a new twist to the story, however, since previous complaints about universities´ racial preference policies have been filed by white students alleging bias.

Li cites a recent study conducted by two Princeton professors as evidence for his case. The study, published in June 2005, concluded that removing consideration of race would have little effect on white students, but that Asian students would fill nearly four out of every five places in admitted classes that are currently taken by African-American or Hispanic students.

Current legal precedent on the question of racial preference grew out of two lawsuits filed in 2003 against the University of Michigan. In those cases, the Supreme Court ruled that colleges could use racial preferences benefiting underrepresented groups like African-Americans and Hispanics, but that quotas, points and other "mechanistic" policies are unconstitutional.

In Li´s case, however, "you have a minority candidate, but a minority candidate from a category that is not regarded by the [court] as an underrepresented category," University politics professor and noted constitutional scholar Robert George said. "This is a minority candidate who is saying, ´I don´t want my race to be counted for me or against me, but for my race not to be counted against me, it is important that no race be counted in any way that reduces my chances of admission.´ "

"So you have two different categories of minority whose interests are allegedly in conflict."

The question now is whether a newly configured court ? which now includes conservative justice Samuel Alito´72 ? could reverse its earlier decision and deem all racial preferences in the college admissions process unconstitutional.

Li said in a phone interview yesterday that people have misconstrued his motives for filing the complaint. "I´m fine here," he said of being at Yale. "I´m just doing this because I want to do something about the situation. I want to bring attention to it."

Currently, Li said, colleges discriminate against Asian-Americans on the basis of their ethnicity or race. "I´m not saying that people with the highest SAT scores should be admitted to universities," he said. "Lots of things should be considered beyond that, but I don´t think race should be one of them."

Li, who has a perfect 2400 SAT score and near-perfect SAT II scores, was rejected this past year from five of the nine universities he applied to ? Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, MIT and the University of Pennsylvania ? and accepted to four: CalTech, Rutgers, Cooper Union and Yale.

Princeton maintains that its admission policies do not discriminate against Asian-American or members of any other race. "We treat each application individually and we do not discriminate on the base of race or national origin," Cliatt said. "To the contrary, we seek to enroll and do enroll classes that are diverse by a multitude of measures."

With thousands of excellent applicants competing for a little over 1,000 spots, the process of selecting a freshman class involves difficult decisions, Cliatt said. Only about half of the applicants with perfect SAT scores, for instance, were admitted last year, she said.

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The top schools in Canada are no better than the University of California schools which solely rely on grades.

The American Ivy-league schools reject many "A" students, while no Canadian university would reject even one "A" student.

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Asians are obvious 1000x times smarter than White, so obviously again competition are tougher amongst Asians, since those ivy schools want a diverse campus and most likely have a quota on each ethnicity.

Finally, it´s good to be dumb again. I mean white.

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Asians just work really hard an are smart in the same way as are calculators..

Whites have more depth.. they are leaders.. they are creative.. you get the idea..

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Asians r dumb; htey just study too much and memorize. Interms of intelligence, they are just stupid, that´s it! They can do nothing other than memorization.
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^ lol, what fucking lame excuses, both of you.
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The Asian education system is all based on memorization and no creativity. Why do you think most Asian products lack style? Most of the car designs for the Japanese and Korean car companies come from American or European design studios.

Most of the Asian cities are poorly planned and all their new modern buildings were designed by foreign architects. Only HK and Singapore looks nice, but those Asian cities were managed by the Brits for 100 years.

Tons of Asians are in high-tech fields, but most of the great innovators or great Hi-tech CEOs are white, not Asian.

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There is nothing that says Asians are more or less smarter than any other ethnicity. Different educational systems around the world focus on rote learning, others (like Finland) focus on creativity. In North America we do a mix, and don´t do a good job. Rote educational systems don´t work well for the real world, as everyone knows, but try telling that to school boards trying to raise math scores. The other factor affecting Asians in North American schools is cultural pressure. Recent immigrant parents push their kids damn hard, because they´ve firsthand how important an education is.

As for Asians being restricted admission to UC, that´s what happens when you have unbiased affirmative action.

As for Canadian schools not rejecting "A" applicants, what do you expect? It´s supply vs demand. We have more than enough supply to keep up with the demand for university seats. American universities work to attract foreign students because they want their money. Canadian schools do the same thing, but the difference is we have enough seats to go around... those foreign students aren´t costing you an education.

Chilax guyz.


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