Advise to those of you going to university next yr

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Subject: Advise to those of you going to university next yr
I m Sasan, 27yrs old.
Graduated from Western in 2003 havin gone through electrical engineering, Western was relatively easy and my marks were ok. I did my grad skool at UofT for a year and a half and finished it.

I am now employed makin about $75k.

-Here is my advise to you for undergrad:

Go to a school where you get high marks and lotta money (Scholarships and Bursaries). like Western. I got about average of $3500 every year for very normal marks.

Usually overpopulated skools like Ryerson are harder to go through and they re so fu**in stingy they wont give u a dime.

If you cant balance ur social life with studying do not go to Western or fun skools as such.

-If you are willing to go to grad skool:

well if you took my advise for undergrad, you are most probably ok to go to a good grad skool like UofT since u have high marks. and if you didn most probably u have never made it anyway.

I should have never gone to grad skool. I got my job based on my western degree only. but whatever maybe later it ll become useful. don ever go to fuckin Ryerson, unless you are ugly so you ll blend in.

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I love your fake story, but Western rocks!
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Immigrants in Canada: Have Ph.D, must sweep

By Clifford Krauss

VANCOUVER, British Columbia: Gian Sangha wanted to work so badly that he cut his hair and removed his turban for job interviews, even though it compromised his Sikh beliefs. He sent hundreds of resumes. He prayed fervently and finally bought a Buddha statue for good luck.

But Sangha, 55, an environmental scientist from India, could not seem to get a job in Canada, his adopted country, despite a doctorate from Germany, two published books and university teaching experience in the United States.

"Here in Canada, there is a hidden discrimination," Sangha said over cups of Indian tea and spicy pakoras, or fritters, in the dining room of his home in the Vancouver suburb of Surrey.

To scrape by, he once cut lawns. Now he does clerical work and shares his house with his extended family. It was not supposed to be this way in Canada, which years ago put out a welcome mat to professionals from around the developing world.

With a declining birth rate, an aging population and labor shortages in many areas, Canada, a sparsely populated nation, has for decades opened its doors to engineers, health professionals, software designers and electricians.

But the results of this policy have been mixed, for Canada and for the immigrants. Recent census data and academic studies indicate that the incomes and employment prospects for immigrants are deteriorating.

Specialists say a growing number of immigrants have been forced to rely on unemployment insurance and welfare, and some have returned to their homelands or migrated to the United States.

About 25 percent of recent immigrants with university degrees are working at jobs that require only high school diplomas or less, government data show.

"The most mobile workers in the world come to Canada and find themselves immobilized," said Faviola Fernandez, a teacher from Singapore who became an immigrant advocate after finding the process of getting a teaching license in Canada so unwieldy that she gave up.

Over the past decade, the country has attracted 200,000 to 250,000 immigrants a year.

As a percentage of the population, that is triple the rate in the United States. Canada´s largest cities are ethnic diverse. One in every six people in Canada is an immigrant, giving it the world´s second-largest proportion of immigrants. Only Australia´s is higher.

Officials in South Africa and other countries have even begun to complain to Canadian officials that they are losing talent trained in their universities in a brain drain they can ill afford.

But highly skilled immigrants, who are nearly half of those who come here, frequently drive taxis and trucks, work in factories or as security guards and hope their children will do better.

The Canadian public continues to support the government´s goal of increasing immigration, and relations among ethnic groups are good, though neighborhoods in some cities are becoming more segregated. But some fear that if opportunities for immigrants do not expand, social cohesion may suffer.

"The existing system is broken," said Jeffrey Reitz, a sociologist who studies immigration at the University of Toronto. "The deteriorating employment situation might mean that Canada will not be able to continue this expansionist immigration program in the positive, politically supported environment that we´ve seen in the past."

Reitz estimates that foreign-educated immigrants earn a total of $2 billion less than an equivalent number of native-born Canadians with comparable skills because they work in jobs below their training levels. Using census data, he found that in 1980, new immigrant men earned 80 percent of the salaries of Canadian-born men. That proportion has dropped to less than 70 percent.

He concludes that immigrant earnings in Canada are declining to the lower levels of the United States, where the skill levels of immigrants tend to be lower.

Academic specialists and immigrant advocates say that discrimination is one of the many reasons for the problem. Native-born Canadians are better educated now than 25 years ago, so immigrants have more competition, some specialists note. But all agree that professional organizations and provincial licensing agencies have been slow to recognize foreign professional qualifications. The children of immigrants, who enter the job market with Canadian credentials, typically do better at acquiring high-paying jobs, immigration specialists note.

"We have an arcane infrastructure of professional organizations that essentially mitigate against the immediate integration of these highly skilled immigrants," Joe Volpe, the minister of citizenship and immigration, said in an interview.

"It´s a shame we have a shortage of doctors, and yet we have thousands of foreign-trained medical doctors and we don´t recognize their credentials," he said. "We haven´t found an easy way of assessing their qualifications."

Volpe said he was concerned that news from disappointed job seekers would seep back to their native countries and discourage qualified people from immigrating. In a recent speech, Volpe committed more than $250 million over five years to pay for programs to accelerate professional integration.

Since the Canadian Embassy in India and a Canadian immigration consultant encouraged Sangha, the environmental scientist, to move his family to Canada in 1996, he has not had a single job that fits his qualifications. He would have left Canada long ago, he says, if not for his two children, who have become acclimated to Canada and are now young adults. In 2001, Sangha was turned down for a job as an environmental inspector with an agency of the Northwest Territories government. He took the case to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, where it is under consideration.

The territorial government agency told the commission that Sangha had been rejected because he was overqualified and would have become bored. But Sangha said in an interview that during his job interview, an agency official had interrupted him and not paid attention to his responses, and that he was a victim of discrimination.

"It´s a painful life," he said. "I´m angry and frustrated. I never thought it would be like this in Canada."

MONDAY, JUNE 6, 2005

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not canada fanboy, if you spent half as much time trying to get a job as you do whining about canada, you´d be a fucking millionaire by now.
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I went to Ryerson for my Bcom in information technology mangement. I was recruited from a campus career fair. I obtained a business analyst job making 60K before I even graduated. 10 of my friends from the program also immediately found jobs and are making over 50K. On top of that, I did not pay a dime for school! Ryerson gave me a 20K scholorship. My friend who did very poorly in high school received a 10K scholorship from writting an essay! On a side note, the HR hiring manager who interviewed me told me that the best selling point on my resume was my Bcomm from Ryerson. By the way, top execs like to hire students from their alma mater. Guess where mine graduated from?
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Sasan - just to rebut your comment about ugly students, Miss Universe 2005 graduate from Ryerson University´s School of Information Technology Mangement in 2004. If you think that the most beautiful women in the universe is ugly you...well, I won´t say what you must be. We Ryerson alum have class.

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