Definitely choose U of T over York

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Subject: Definitely choose U of T over York
Generally speaking, in my own opinion, York?s reputation is very poor with its poor school image. Why? It seems like Toronto?s second school. No school spirit and no history. It doesn?t have a medical school and good engineering programs. Poor in science and lack of funding from governments and the private sectors compared with U of T.
And.. York states itself as a liberal arts school but..... it doesnt have its own university press or the school of english.
Please consider the student quality, faculty quality, reputation of school, operating budget per student, university resources such as library holdings and acquisitions, student services before you apply.
I guess you will feel much much more proud if you say you are a U of T student rather than York. You can see so many people wearing U of T jackets, shirts and baseball caps but not too many people wearing York?s. Think of it.

[13-10-2004,11:34]
Thomas
too general... (in reply to: Definitely choose U of T over York)
I very agree with you to a large portion what you said. But it is still too general to write such a statement. It really comes to what program we are talking about. Med school - yes, Science yes, probably Computer science, but this is hard to compare, of course UofT is better.

However, take an example of Business school better known as Schoolich School of Business at York University. It is one of the finest business programs in North America not only here in Toronto. Political Science - another well known program.

I´ve been at UofT, YorkU, Waterloo. They all have it´s own qualities. To summarise it really depends what you are taking.

Good luck to all students...

[18-10-2004,14:31]
Johny B
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York is a mixed bag. It´s in a lousy campus in a terrible location and the undergrads are mostly GTA commuters. It´s not particularly difficult to get into (the undergrad business program at Schulich is an exception - it´s an honors program only and arguably the #1 undergrad business program in the country)

In terms of graduate studies, York has some top-notch programs, drawing top students from all over. Osgoode Hall Law School comes immediately to mind. There´s other renowned programs as well: Political Science, History, Social and Political Thought, and Environmental Studies.

Another area where York stands out is in the fine arts - in fact it´s almost certainly superior to UofT in this regard.

[24-10-2004,06:24]
Anonymous
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Schulich - not only in the country but in North America
[24-10-2004,18:03]
Anonymous
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You are really misguided if you think schulich is the best in Canada. They are about the 5th in terms of selectivity and 4th in terms of average starting salaries. UofT Rotman grads make an average salary of about 30k more if you look at financial times or businessweek reports. This year schulich didn´t even make the rankings for businessweek... they got bumped off 10th place. Queens, UofT and Western are far superior in terms of both selectivity and average starting salaries and all hold far more prestige than a York degree... there is a reason why York is ranked nearly last place in MacLeans while UofT, Queens, and Western have held top spots for the past 10 years.
[26-10-2004,00:18]
Anonymous
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The previous poster is talking about MBAs rather than undergraduate business degrees. In terms of undergrad business, Schulich is the most selective in Canada - it´s certainly a tougher program to get accepted to than the undergrad business degree at Toronto (Rotman is the graduate school for business). In terms of undergrad programs it probably goes:

1) Schulich
2) Queen´s
3) Toronto and Ivey (a toss-up)
5) UBC? WLU? McGill?

Firms looking at business grads know that Schulich is top-notch.

In terms of the MBA, I would say Schulich is respectable, but not as high as Rotman or Ivey, which are the leaders.

[26-10-2004,02:08]
Anonymous
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It depends. If one´s a science student, for example, UofT clearly is more prestigious and better equipped. But that also means the program´s much bigger. If a science student likes the idea of a small program, they may excel at York.

UofT is pretty strong all over the place. York does have renowned departments in political science, history, psychology, and the fine arts (better known than UofT for the latter). York´s Faculty of Environmental Studies is known all over the world.

[30-10-2004,05:24]
Anonymous
York is better! (in reply to: Definitely choose U of T over York)
I believe all those people that praise UofT and put down York don´t know what they are talking about. York U is a remarkable university and one that gets attention and praise from all over the world. It many not be as old and accomplished as it´s across town neighbour (UofT) but it certainly has a different slant to it that attracts many students. In fact, I am from Guelph and when I was deciding on coming to school in T.O, I got into both universities but I wanted to go to York over UofT. The campus is more of a ´real university´ setting with alot of campus spirit and pubbing and has only students around you. UofT is downtown so has a mix of students and outsiders in the campus that makes it feel more impersonal. I know for a fact that many people in my town consider York a better school than UofT. Face it, the times are changing!
[09-11-2004,22:02]
James
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Let´s stop with all the slandering ok?...
York´s undergrad schulich is very good - among the top in the country, and also their fine arts is very good. One reason I can think of why UofT and Yorkers always fight is that York U was originally built as a campus for UofT students but then they decided to seperated and make their own university. Anyways I think it´s a good thing that they did, or else UofT would be huge today. Like London University - they are very prestigous but have something like 110k students.

[10-11-2004,00:47]
Anonymous
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I agree, Yorkies....you must realize that the competition is over between us. We called a truce-no lie. So no more jokes and we promise to stop ours too!

Let´s unite to bash other uni´s like McGill and maybe even UBC. Power to the ´city of Toronto´ students!

[10-11-2004,04:39]
Anonymous
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Universities Ranking 2004

Medical/Doctoral:

1 Toronto 1

2 McGill 2

3 Western 3

The ranking of York?








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[11-11-2004,04:05]
Anonymous
Maclean's........I think not. (in reply to: Definitely choose U of T over York)
Macleans is a biased survery that takes into account many things that don´t mean anything to an average university student such as the amount of operational budget (which in the York and UofT case, the latter will be dominant b/c it has a medical school). Also, it takes into account factors like the amount of students coming from outside the province, which in fact has nothing to do with the education you recieve.

In fact, it is very bias to compare universities such as York to universities such as Guelph and Victoria as the population is Guelph is much smaller and thus, it will favour the smaller percentage and weightings in all sections of the comparison.
An example of this is the number of international students as a factor of the rating. It is obvious York has alot more (approx. 4000 students are int´l) while Guelph has much less (approx. 500 students) but in the rating York is rated lower than Guelph in this category b/c it has a lower percentage of the amt. of int´l students than Guelph. I sense a giant FLAW!
York knows about Macleans problems and misleading data and this is why it did not take part in the new Macleans Graduate ratings this year. Very soon, I believe that students will realize how to understand a rating.

If you want accurate data, look at the 2004 Gourman´s rating, Globe and Mail University Report Card, and individual faculty ratings such as business schools and law schools and arts schools. This incorporates students and administrative data in their comparisons.

[11-11-2004,04:44]
Anonymous
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"Macleans is a biased survery that takes into account many things that don?t mean anything to an average university student such as the amount of operational budget (which in the York and UofT case, the latter will be dominant b/c it has a medical school)."

That´s why York is in the comprehensive category, where no one has a medical school.

"Also, it takes into account factors like the amount of students coming from outside the province, which in fact has nothing to do with the education you recieve."

That only makes up 2% of their criteria. 1.5% for out-of-province, 0.5% for international. Hardly anything to stress over. The most important indicators are reputation among employers, average entrance grades, student services, etc. If York wants to do well in MacLeans, it should improve on these.

"In fact, it is very bias to compare universities such as York to universities such as Guelph and Victoria as the population is Guelph is much smaller and thus, it will favour the smaller percentage and weightings in all sections of the comparison."

If you looked in the medical doctorate category you will see the largest universities - Toronto, McGill, UBC, dominating over the smaller ones - Windsor, Dalhousie, Ottawa, etc. So this is not an excuse to say they win because they are smaller.

"If you want accurate data, look at the 2004 Gourman?s rating, Globe and Mail University Report Card, and individual faculty ratings such as business schools and law schools and arts schools. This incorporates students and administrative data in their comparisons."

It would help if you gave actual links instead of just claiming York did very well in these rankings.
This one seems to be a gourman´s report:
http://www.infoexport.gc.ca/iei/ieiSmartViewer.jsp?did=492&sitid=134
In which Toronto was #5 in north america, McGill #7, UBC 9, McMaster 10, but no where on that list do I see York.

[11-11-2004,13:40]
Anonymous



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